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De Dioses, de Hombres y del Diablo

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Teodicea:

1 (teo- + gr. díke, justicia)
f. Parte de la teología natural que se ocupa en la defensa de la suprema sabiduría de Dios contra las acusaciones lanzadas por la razón en vista de los desórdenes del mundo. Trata de la santidad divina con relación al mal físico, y de su justicia con relación a la desarmonía existente entre el bien y la virtud. Comprende, además, las pruebas de la existencia de Dios, la demostración de sus atributos y la investigación de sus relaciones con el alma humana y con la humanidad.
2 Teología natural.
Curioso, muy curioso este saber. Claro que si partimos de la base de que solamente el Cristianismo tiene/ posee un Ser como el Diablo, representación de la esencia del mal, la curiosidad comienza a tener sentido.
Y ¿Quién es este individuo? Para los cristianos, el Diablo es la personificación del Mal Supremo, el enemigo de Dios, y representa la causa última del mal.
Lógicamente es aquí donde empieza el problema: Si Dios es el Creador de Todo también ha tenido que crear al Diablo, si no es así es que este Diablo es otro Dios y ya no sería un monoteísmo si no un dualismo lo que pregona esta religión.
¿Con qué nos quedamos? Lo tienen mal, realmente mal, porque elijas la opción que elijas su Dios queda en mal lugar.
Y todo esto ¿de donde viene? Pues aunque no lo crean, de uno de los del eje del mal de Bush, de Irán, vamos, no el actual, si no el del año 500 a. C. y el culpable, siempre tiene que haber un culpable, fue Zoroastro o Zaratustra, que cambió el politeísmo de la zona por Ahura Mazda, el señor único, para no confundir al personal, convirtió a los dioses anteriores en emanaciones de Ahura, en ángeles y a los dos más poderosos en el bueno de Sienta Manu y el malo Angra Msanyú. El amigo Zoroastro hizo algo más, ¿Quiénes eran los depositarios? Lógicamente los sacerdotes que tenían jurisdicción sobre el bien y el mal y podían exorcizarlo. No se porqué me suena tanto. A lo que vamos, que me pierdo, de Mesopotamia (Irán) pasa al Judaísmo y de éste al Cristianismo. Pero mientras que en el Antiguo Testamento Satán es un mero comparsa, un instrumento de Dios, a partir del helenismo, más menos 300 a. C, los demonios cobran interés, ¿Quiénes son? ¿Origen? Y con los Esenios de Qumrán y su dualismo bien/mal, Belial que tienta y el Arcángel Miguel que ayuda, tenemos el coktail que tenemos .
Mi Daimon particular, el Chamán Chalao, me dice que talvez tenga razón, pero claro me lo está diciendo un demonio, ¿Le creo o no?.

170 comentarios:

Conce Méndez dijo...

Buenas noches y bienvenido amigo Malo,¿qué tal?.
Menuno post,da mucho miedo...no creo que nadie haga caso a esos "angelitos
diabólicos"
Saludos.

V dijo...

Todo menos aceptar que el mal, igual que el bien, sea por el motivo que sea, emana del Homo sapiens en primera y en última instancia (...) :/

Besos.

Malo Malísimo dijo...

No te de miedo, son los terrores que nos han inculcado desde siempre. No hay más mal que el que está dentro de ti o dentro de mi. Y en ambos casos no creo que en ninguno de los dos casos la cosa de ni para poco.

Malo Malísimo dijo...

Hola Vero, ya se lo digo a Conce, está en nosotros, no busquemos "Chivos" expiatorios.

Estela dijo...

Hola Amigo:
¿que tal tus vacaciones?..yo creo que dentro de nosotros esta el bien y el mal...osea Dios y el demonio..segun la Biblia el demonio fue un Angel que se rebelo contra Dios...pero vete tu a saber...ahora en la tierra esta la cosa muy repartida..hay de to Demnios y Angeles...¿no crees?.

Un abrazo!!!

Pantagruel dijo...

Malo, esto me lo tengo que leer con más calma. Lo guardo pa las vacaciones del año que viene.

Nieves dijo...

como dices ... ambos bien y mal están dentro de nosotros mismos ... y todo dependerá del ojo que mire ... No crees?

Saludos y bienvenido. Nieves.

Daniel F. dijo...

Con permiso, vengo de casa de Maria. La concepcion del bien y del mal y sus representaciones no son monopolio de la cultura cristiana. En el Antiguo Egipto, ya existian "demonios". Lo que ocurre es que la Iglesia ha sabido rentabilizar al Demonio como nadie y ha vendido muy bien el cielo.
Los musulmanes tambien tienen sus demonios

Amigo de la Dialéctica dijo...

Hola amigo Malo Malísimo:

En definitiva que los poderosos se inventan al diablo para quitar la jurisdicción a Dios/dios sobre los hombres y arrogársela ellos.

Pues a estacazos con ellos, verás como la terminan soltando.

Malo, ese mal que está dentro de nosotros también tiene derecho a expandirse, a manifestarse; pues lo dicho, a estacazos con ellos.

El pecado es la duda, así que fuera dudas; a estacazos con ellos.

Qué sería de Gorgorito sin la bruja Ciriaca. Y qué sería de la bruja Ciriaca sin Gorgorito.

Puesto que somos Gorgorito, a estacazos con la bruja Ciriaca.

Aquí lo correcto es hacer como Arjuna, seguir los sabios consejos de Krishna; a estacazos con ellos.

Recibe un muy fuerte abrazote amigo.

Nota: un post muy sugerente. En mi blog dicen que se parece mucho al último que acabo de subir. Si te apetece te pasas. Otro abrazote amigo.

NERON dijo...

Hola Malo, encantado de saludarte de nuevo.

Ten cuidado, a ver si al olor de tanto demonio van a acudir el padre Fortea y sus amig@s.

Que por desgracia me consta que pueden ser aún más dañinos.

Salud

Paco Centeno dijo...

Joer Malo, con las pilas puestas. La dualidad mal-bien en su representaciones idealizadas, diablo-dios. Todo un clásico.
Yo creo en el bien y en el mal como conceptos, pero ahí me quedo. Lo demás es pura religión.

aus dijo...

Hola, Malo. A ver si tú que estás documentado me puedes aclarar estas preguntas que me atormentan: ¿Por qué el diablo se manifiesta casi siempre a través de las mujeres? La mayoría de los exorcizados son mujeres, y es sabido que cuando Satán asciende (o desciende, depende de dónde venga) a este mundo, lo suele hacer disfrazado de bella señorita. En caso de tener que tentar a alguien, casi siempre escogerá a una fémina.

Repito, ¿por qué siempre mujeres, si la mujer es la más adorable criatura divina? ¿No fue una mujer la madre del dios-hombre? A mí me huele que hasta el diablo es machista.

Salú.

Malo Malísimo dijo...

Estela, en la viña del señó: De tó y para todos los gustos, aunque parece que abundan más los demonios que los ángeles.

Malo Malísimo dijo...

Panta, no te asustes que no es para tanto. Tomaté una Alhambra bien fresquita mientras lo lees.

Malo Malísimo dijo...

Nieves hija, a estas alturas no depende ya del hojo, sino de las gafas.

Malo Malísimo dijo...

Bienvenido por esta casa Temujín. Encantadores los Dijin del desierto pero más que diablos son duendecillos o genios cabreados.
Este diablo es propio y genuino del cristianismo y si el catolicismo lo magnifica, no veas el resto de sectas cristianas, solo tienes que poner en google la palabra exorcismo y alucinas y lo realmente importante... lo olvidan, aquello del amaos los unos a los otros... el otro que sea amigo porque si no lo lleva crudo,

Malo Malísimo dijo...

Querido Javier, como dijo una vez alguien, " Psicoanaliza al diablo y te encontrarás un ángel". Elmproblema es que al revés también puede funcionar.

Malo Malísimo dijo...

ATB, gracias a ti. Y no te preocupes por ese personal que andarán ocupados es algún exorcismo. Además el mismo Fortea dice que la luchade diablos y ángeles fue INTELECTUAL, nada siendo de intelecto no problemo.
Claro que si partimos de la fe del converso...

Malo Malísimo dijo...

Paco, mi querido y docto doctor, me has calado a la primero. Pura conceptuación, no va más, cuando se aclaren las distintas religiones y se pongan de acuerdo en cual de ellas es la verdadera pasaremos a hablar de fe y religion, en tanto seguiré sin creer en mi dios, y eso que es el único verdadero.

Malo Malísimo dijo...

Querido aus, ya tengo tu enlace y ahora mismito me voy a poner en ello. En cuanto a tu pregunta... primero y antes de nada, no te atormentes con esas preguntas que despues te sueñas y gracias por lo de documentado pero yo le pondría el prefijo in delante. La respuesta es muy sencilla, de todas las religiones que en el mundo son, dime una en la que las mujeres no estén relegadas a un segundo y servil plano pues eso, que si el diablo se manifiesta a través de ellas ¿a donde van? ¿a qué aspiran? Nada hijo desde que los Aqueos invadieron grecia y trajeron el mito de Pandora (la mujer como fuente de todo mal) se cargaron el matriarcado precedente, mucho más igualitario y se inventaron el chollo, para los hombres, de la superioridad del varón, a partir de ahí, nada hijo, critica que algo queda y claro 5000 años diciendo sois malas, ha calado. Ya va siendo hora de dar la vuelta a la tortilla, a al menos de romperla y hacer un revuelto.

aus dijo...

¿Ves cómo estabas bastante bien documentado? De lo que cuentas, deduzco que fue la presión de las invasiones, cuando los continentes empezaron a estar más poblados, lo que destronó a las mujeres de su papel más relevante en las sociedades agrarias. Lo importante no era ya alimentar a la tribu, misión hasta entonces encomendada a la mujer, que era la que cultivaba y recolectaba la tierra, sino la defensa del territorio, a cargo del hombre, que pasó de ser un zángano cazador, que sólo aportaba algunas proteínas a la manutención de la prole, a ser un guerrero con dos c******. Si fue así, tiene bemoles el asunto.

Salú.

Alfonso Vázquez dijo...

Jeje, el diablo es Bush, y huele a azufre...

Todas las religiones, todas las culturas tienen su representación de la bondad y de la maldad. Nuestro cerebro es dicotómico, si/no, 0/1. Somos un ordenador bioquimico. Y eso debe trasladarse a nuestras interpretaciones de la realidad. Porque no tendría sentido un dios sino hubier un diablo

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Malo Malísimo dijo...

Querido y colorista aus, es lo que hay y creo que los dos tenemos la misma información.La verdad es una pena que despues de inventar la cerveza y el vino estemos a estas alturas de la historia peleando por ellas... y que tengamos que ser hombres quienes lo digamos...

Malo Malísimo dijo...

Bienvenido por esta tu casa Alfonso. Pues sí, tenemos un cerebro dicotónico y muchos poseedores del mismo atónitos con él, aún no se enteraron de que puede funcionar solito sin programaciones de nadie. Cuando aprendan a hacerlo funcionar sin ayuda entenderán que esa dualidad está en nosotros y que no hace falta buscarse ningún ser superior para explicar la conducta humana.
Y si el amigo Bush según muchos huele a azufre, para otros lo hace a incienso. Para mi, a mierda reconcentrada y no él si no lo que representaba.

Unknown dijo...

Malo: el bien es el espejo del mal y dios le paga un sueldo a satán. Esto lo dijo Sabina allá por los ochenta pero tú pregúntale a Don Rocco Varela si es cierto. Seguro que te responde : "¡Shhhhhhh.!!!! Calla, cabrito !"

Me voy de fiesta mayor.

Un abrazo.

Malo Malísimo dijo...

Pues nada don Antonio, a pasarlo bien y siendo Mayor, saca al santo en procesión y adjura del maligno que siempre queda muy bien, no sea como yo que cuando voy a mi terruño y ven que me acerco a la Iglesia, se hacen cruces. En las fiestas mayores el Alcalde y yo en el bar para no interrumpir a los vecinos en sus religiosos menesteres.

ROSA dijo...

Malo como vienes de las vacaciones¡

Un besito Rosa

Likuid dijo...

Créete a tí mismo y no hará falta más...

Malo Malísimo dijo...

Rosario, pues en realidad estaba escrito desde bastante antes, pero no encontraba el momento.

Malo Malísimo dijo...

¡¡Likuid por donde andabas!!

En el oráculo de Apolo antes de entrar había un cartel que avisaba
"Nosce te Ipsum". Conoceté a Ti mismo.

Likuid dijo...

He estado retirado, falta me hacía.
Qué cantidad de buenos refranes para uno mismo...
Saludos de vuelta!

Francisco J. Moral dijo...

Amigo Malo, espero que hayas tenido buenas vacaciones.

Vuelves con un tema muy filosófico para estas calores.

Para los que pasamos olímpicamente de las religiones (nunca he tenido claro si autodenominarme agnóstico, ateo o cualquier otro calificativo que exprese el no tener religión) el tema del bien y del mal es un asunto un poco relativo. Para resumir, cualquier idea o acto es correcto (bien)si no afecta de forma negativa a algo o a alguien; en caso contrario es incorrecto (mal). Así que ahí no caben intervenciones extrañas del más allá, simplemente la (buena o mala) actitud de las personas...

No me enrollo; es un tema para pensar y debatir más...

Un abrazo.

Unknown dijo...

Malo este post me supera, y además, las sinapsis de mis neuronas todavían no funcionan debidamente. Necesito un tiempo de adaptación.

Estuve contigo el día 15 en el cementerio, te saludé y poco más. Pero ya hablaremos tranquilamente.

Un cordial saludo.

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